. >> prior to the the vice- presidential debate, the question, should obama supporters start freaking out to? [laughter] did the vice-president head of the freak out? >> i think he probably did. for the days, for the people who were cheering him on, he did with the president did not do the week before. he answered everything that bryant had to say -- that ryan had to say. if he had not indulge in that small a time, the biden tick, you would have said that he had walked the floor with paul ryan. >> pick a winner. >> if you read the transcript, it was a draw. if you heard it on the radio, biden won. if you watched it on tv, biden lost. if you heard it on talking points, it was about even. you heard it on the raider, joe biden was in control. paul ryan was differential. if you saw on tv, that mad smile, that jack nicholson smile, that condescension and eye roll, i think that it deeply damaged what to joe biden had done in substance. >> some times, you have to measure success by comparison. compared to president obama as performance last week, and joe biden did an outstanding job. he did